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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Feb 23, 2005 11:32:33 GMT -5
Before you say that check out the FINN FRIDAYS PAGE. Unless I'm mistaken the official posting date for CALGARY Part Two was yesterday, which would make it... FINN TUESDAYS? According to this DAM Part One is scheduled for this Friday so I think we got a bonus segment this week! MS. KITKA,
Receive 100 bonus marks & go to The Top of The Class!
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Feb 25, 2005 10:46:08 GMT -5
GAZ knows his way around cliffhanger endings to a chapter!
I just finished reading TALES OF BUFFALO COMMONS™: “CALGARY, Part 2” & “DAM, Part 1”, & recommend to anyone who needs a lesson in world-building that they read & learn from a crafty author: subtle characterisation, credible technology, & logical interactions between the 2.
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Post by ladytass2001 on Feb 25, 2005 12:07:51 GMT -5
It's getting to be better and better, I love the use of the Tribes in this one.
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Feb 25, 2005 23:10:45 GMT -5
It's getting to be better and better, I love the use of the Tribes in this one. LADYTASS,
That was a development that knocked me for 6 in all the right ways @ the right time.
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Post by First Leftenant on Feb 26, 2005 2:15:11 GMT -5
GAZ knows his way around cliffhanger endings to a chapter!
I just finished reading TALES OF BUFFALO COMMONS™: “CALGARY, Part 2” & “DAM, Part 1”, & recommend to anyone who needs a lesson in world-building that they read & learn from a crafty author: subtle characterisation, credible technology, & logical interactions between the 2. Malcolm, Based on this comment I decided to cpy and paste all the segments from tales of buffalo commons and print them out, and then read the whole thing over from the start. I highly recommend this because what seemed like a collection of semi-related stories actually reads like very tight narrative. the story moves in such a logical way that one is left to wonder they didn't see the outcome from the beginning, but even now I don't know iwhere it's going next. this is "a bloody good" adventure!
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Feb 26, 2005 3:25:27 GMT -5
Malcolm, Based on this comment I decided to cpy and paste all the segments from tales of buffalo commons and print them out, and then read the whole thing over from the start. I highly recommend this because what seemed like a collection of semi-related stories actually reads like very tight narrative. the story moves in such a logical way that one is left to wonder they didn't see the outcome from the beginning, but even now I don't know iwhere it's going next. this is "a bloody good" adventure! FL,
I applaud your initiative.
For my own part, I enjoy reading them as they're posted, since it allows me the feeling of reading material that has been sent to me by secure comm channel For My Eyes Only.
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Post by Miss Kitka on Feb 26, 2005 10:34:55 GMT -5
this'll be the first book i'll read that i haven't jumped to the end of at some point.
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Feb 28, 2005 12:43:58 GMT -5
this'll be the first book i'll read that i haven't jumped to the end of at some point. MS. KITKA,
I hope that is not lessening your enjoyment of the stories.
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Post by Miss Kitka on Feb 28, 2005 20:51:08 GMT -5
absolutely not! But here's my question, you've read most of the scripts, how does this story compare to the scripts. I can't imagine the 'cast of thousands' working on a budgetted series.
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Mar 1, 2005 1:45:41 GMT -5
absolutely not! But here's my question, you've read most of the scripts, how does this story compare to the scripts. I can't imagine the 'cast of thousands' working on a budgetted series. TUE. MAR. 1/2005/01:52 E.S.T.
Well, that's a relief!
Given that the online stories are Prose, while the scripts are screenplays that have been written with the ultimate intent of their seeing production & subsequent broadcast, they are paced differently, in the same way that novels are paced differently than comic book stories, even when the 2 media get used to tell the same story.
I just finished reading a Season 2 script this evening that thrilled me not just because of the events of the story itself, & revelations made about characters in it, but also because of how the style of Exposition changed from Act 1 through to Act 5.
The effect upon me was as if I had switched from viewing an episode of LAW & ORDER™ to an episode of SPORTS NIGHT™: different demands were placed upon me as Audient/Viewer, & I found that I was drawn further into the story, whereas when I am viewing a well-crafted programme like C.S.I.: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION™, I find that I experience what HERR BERTOLT BRECHT called The Alienation Effect, which is to say that I find myself pulled out of the story & reminded constantly that I am seeing a televised fiction, rather than events happening to people in Real Life, people whom I care about, people whose happiness & misery matter to me, & influence my own emotions.
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Post by Miss Kitka on Mar 1, 2005 7:24:58 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks for the details (although would it have killed you to include the title of that episode?) It's not so much the pacing that I'm curious about because I know what you mean, but the scope. I've read in some of the interviews on the site about the "Big Picture" of the series, and the book certainly seems to have a big picture, but i can't see that many characters being introduced in a series before the story gets going (I'd love to see it, just can't imagine it happening). And seeing as FINN hasn't shown up yet I can't imagine the series working that way either. I know you can't give anything away but I had to ask.
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Mar 1, 2005 10:49:24 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks for the details (although would it have killed you to include the title of that episode?) It's not so much the pacing that I'm curious about because I know what you mean, but the scope. I've read in some of the interviews on the site about the "Big Picture" of the series, and the book certainly seems to have a big picture, but i can't see that many characters being introduced in a series before the story gets going (I'd love to see it, just can't imagine it happening). And seeing as FINN hasn't shown up yet I can't imagine the series working that way either. I know you can't give anything away but I had to ask. MS. KITKA,
You’re welcome. The title was FINNEGAN’S SQUAD™: “POST PARTEM”.
Insofar as “The Big Picture” is concerned, GAZ feels very strongly (& so do I!) that there should be a reason behind everything that we see & hear onscreen, which is to say that we as Audient/Viewer ought to know what has happened to bring us to a given point, or have been supplied with sufficient intel that we might formulate theories of our own which are not wildly inconsistent with his own world-building.
In every story, there are characters whose very field of expertise & mere presence influence the outcome of events upon the Principal Characters, thereby affecting how they go about carrying out their own duties, but in mainstream episodic SF, we are virtually never shown anything about such people.
How many people do you know who can tell you – based on STAR TREK™ broadcasts alone, not having read any novels, comic books, technical manuals, visited websites/message boards or attended fan conventions! - about CHEKOV’S, UHURA’S, or SULU’S biographies in as much detail as they can relate ADMIRAL JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK’S, AMBASSADOR SPOCK’S, or DOCTOR LEONARD “BONES” McCOY’S?
I suspect that the answer is “None”, or “Very few”, @ a best, since the bridge crew actors & actresses were effectively treated as supernumeraries because those characters were never deemed sufficiently important to the unfolding events by the writers & producers, so the characters were virtually ignored in favour of Guest Stars & “new characters” over the course of that programme’s arc, up to & including the various feature film sequels in which they appeared.
GAZ makes background intel available to us, & we choose to read it or not, dependent upon the level of enrichment we wish to experience as Audient/Viewer, so that we’ll never feel as though he or any other writers have pulled a half-baked idea from their bottoms instead of plotting tightly & consistently within the parameters established by what is posted here @ this website & in the series bible.
For my own part, I find these online resources invaluable, since I know that whenever FINN & his team are faced with a given set of circumstances, it’s happening for better reasons than the FSQ™ producers’ being told by studio heads that a “Monster of The Week” episode is being commissioned in order to flog merchandise, or that “We need more T&A!”<br> Every Design Concept has been thought through; nothing looks a certain way for purely Aesthetic reasons; everything's form follows its function, which is why I love the Orbital Lander craft.
In WITHOUT REMORSE™ by TOM CLANCY, the Protagonist of the story is a bloke who...
* S P O I L E R
S P A C E *
... is known in later stories as MR. CLARK, & is a supporting character in CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER™, the film adaptation of which featured MR. WILLEM DAFOE in that role.
When I saw that film, I wanted to know more about the character, but he was essentially 5th Business relative to the JACK RYAN character portrayed by MR. HARRISON FORD, so GAZ directed me toward the book which details MR. CLARK’S origin, which I am 5/7 of the way finished, & I’m finding the experience to be very rewarding in terms of personal entertainment & comparative research, as well as coming to a better understanding of how GAZ'S mind works as a screenwriter.
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Post by First Leftenant on Mar 1, 2005 11:07:53 GMT -5
Malcolm, without a doubt you write the best posts on this or any other board i've ever visited. Not only do I want to see this episode now, but I'm going to be looking for that book. How anyone could not read that spoiler is beyond me, every word is a treat.
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Mar 1, 2005 13:35:17 GMT -5
Malcolm, without a doubt you write the best posts on this or any other board i've ever visited. Not only do I want to see this episode now, but I'm going to be looking for that book. How anyone could not read that spoiler is beyond me, every word is a treat. TUE. MARCH 1/2005/13:37 E.S.T.
FL,
Your post is the most generous response ever posted in reply to a post of mine, for which I thank you.
I hope that you enjoy the book as much as GAZ & I did when you manage to obtain it.
I try to honour other people's desire not to know in the way that I have appreciated others' protection of my own desire not to know.
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Post by TOPPER on Mar 3, 2005 11:05:56 GMT -5
Supplementary Info: (sorry about the length...) The scripts as originally delivered to Malcolm indicated CAVE CANEM as the last episode of the first season (based on a 13 episode season), but this was when the two hour episode THE PILOT was being included in the first season. Since the delivery of that script Gary decided to have ready 13 hours for the first season in addition to THE PILOT, so the script POST PARTEM, which Malcolm referred to earlier in this thread, was delivered to him as a second season script but has since been included in the first 13 hours. This will allow our production/broadcast partners the option (should they wish to exercise it) of selecting the 13 best stories (of the first 15 hours) for production as the first season, or producing the 2hour THE PILOT and then all 13 stories set in the first year as the first. The recent Battlestar Galactica series did pretty much the same thing. Producing a 4 hour miniseries first, and then 13 episodes for the first season. If memory serves Babylon 5 also produced a two hour event first, and then the regular series. So, if you visit the FINNEGAN'S SQUAD STATUS PAGE and scroll down to the episode list (or visit the Episode Guide page) you'll find POST PARTEM as a first season episode.
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